RE: Wave rules

From: Jeff Milum (jmilum@saba.com-DeleteThis)
Date: Thu Aug 17 2000 - 11:20:12 PDT

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From: Jeff Milum <jmilum@saba.com-DeleteThis>
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Subject: RE: Wave rules
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:20:12 -0700
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If you're going out - go straight. This is what right of way means anyways.

>From a practical perspective if you go straight, a good wave rider can work
around your position and not really have it interfere. If you are trying to
guess where the wave rider is going, you will most often be wrong.

I would add if it's less than head high, you should also not "compete" with
the wave rider for open wave face, and you should choose a course (and hold
it) that will take you out of the wave riding path. If it's over head high,
I think that you will by necessity have to position yourself for the
unbroken portion of the wave and this is where you will need to "take" your
right of way.

-----Original Message-----
From: tmurguz@amre.com-DeleteThis [mailto:tmurguz@amre.com-DeleteThis]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Wave rules

this may be a better "rule":
if heading out and planing, avoid the surfer. If you are heading out and
slogging, and there's not a lot you can do, the surfer should avoid you.

That starboard stuff has no value in the waves and should be left to
flatwater
sailing. That would mean at port tack (or whatever the opposite tack to
here
is) wavesailng the outbound "rights" would be offset by the starboard
wavesailor
"rights", and chaos would ensue. In my experiences at 3 port places, the
rule
is the same; avoid the guy on the wave if you can.

"Chilton, Owain (GEIO)" <Owain.Chilton@geio.ge.com-DeleteThis> on 08/17/2000 09:32:21
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Subject: RE: Wave rules

The rule is that the person going out has right of way. This is a surfing
rule. For windsurfing, in the prevailing conditions in NorCal, the person
going out has double rights because they are on starboard tack. Having said
that, it is polite to try and keep out of the way of someone who is surfing
in on a wave. So if you are planing, bear off or head up so as not to impede
the progress of the surfer. If you are heading out and slogging, there's not
a lot you can do, so the surfer should avoid you.

Cheers.....Owain.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:10 AM
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1. Going out has right of way over someone coming in. (when coming in, you
have much more manueverability and less risk of getting munched than someone
going out, so it's polite to give way)

I do not think this is true, and recall this same discussion about a year
ago.
If a sailor on a wave is going down the line, and the outbound sailor cuts
off
his down the line progress, ending the wave, the outbound sailor has
barneyed.

If the premise of wavesailing is to ride waves, then the surf rules apply.
The
surf rule is simple; avoid the person on the wave. They have enough to deal
with already, and a person going out has more degrees of freedom than the
person
on a wave whose ideal path is dictated by the wave (and the kelp in late
summer). the sailor going out can sail off the wind, pinch upwind, stall,
chicken jibe, tack and do whatever else is possible to avoid the person
already
on the wave.

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