Re: People's Court, Please?

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Date: Wed Jun 30 1999 - 16:10:56 PDT

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Two sailors, L and R, simultaneously picked up a nice swell.
If truly simultaneous, upwind sailor (R) would have wave rights. While "closest
to the peak" works well for surfing a beachbreak, it adds way too much confusion
to wavesailing since you can cover so much ground. The initial 50yds. of
separation implies plenty of space to share provided everyone goes down the
line.

1) "These waves are predominantly left"
This may be true for that wave, but the power move is still to cut back and go
at the lip. (see previous post of waddell contest pictures) Sailor L can aviod
the entire conflict by going down the line and keeping the 50 yds. of
separation. If sailor L was trying to get back upwind, then get on a plane and
get in front of the wave. Leave the nice swell for someone who wants to do
something with it.

3) "You came too close to me."
Sailor L failed to go down the line. Proximate cause of conflict.

2) "As the upwind rider you should let a down the line guy go
by and not make a fuss about it."
Agreed. If everyone goes down the line there are no close encounters.

Sailor L causes conflict by bay sailing in waves, forcing sailor R to go around
him/her to wavesail, which is why they drove there in the first place. If L
doesnt' like people crossing under, don't pinch upwind on a wave.

A M <asicenger@hotmail.com-DeleteThis> on 06/30/99 01:37:17 PM

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Subject: People's Court, Please?

The following happened to some guys I know at Waddel recently.

Two sailors, L and R, simultaneously picked up a nice swell.
They were 50 yds apart at this point.
Sailor L began to ride it left, upwind. Sailor R, who had
been looking upwind to acquire the swell, turned to go
down the line. As he did he saw sailor L riding the wave
left, and he looped below Sailor L, came back up the face,
and rode as far as he could down the line. R came to about
15 ft of L as he crossed under L.

Sailor L also turned down the line, and rode out the wave without
further incident.

Sailor L is the better sailor by far.

In a subsequent beachside discussion, L claimed to be an aggrieved
party because:

1) "These waves are predominantly left"
2) "I was in a more critical section."
3) "You came too close to me."

Sailor R countered:

1) "If the wave was a left and you had a critical section, why
did you give it up and go down the line too?"
2) "As the upwind rider you should let a down the line guy go
by and not make a fuss about it."
3) I gave you enough room.

Who's right, if anybody? Is crossing under as R did a no-no?

Thanks,
Todd B.

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