Received: from opus.hpl.hp.com (opus-fddi.hpl.hp.com) by jr.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.24/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA065871830; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:17:10 -0700 Return-Path: <levb@pointcast.com-DeleteThis> Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by opus.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.24/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA243441825; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:17:05 -0700 Received: from hqca1-exs2.pointcast.com (wks32-67.pointcast.com [208.219.32.67]) by hplms26.hpl.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.6 HPLabs Relay) with ESMTP id QAA20809 for <wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hqca1-exs2.pointcast.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <MYCP53QA>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:13:56 -0700 Message-Id: <9EC798FE84C8D1119CA0006097743AA02D2F09@hq-exs1.pointcast.com-DeleteThis> From: Lev Belov <levb@pointcast.com-DeleteThis> To: "'wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis'" <wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis> Subject: RE: Sherman/Sign Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:14:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain
Let me through my $0.02 in :-)
I'm one of those annoying "intermediate" sailors. This is my third
season. I mostly sail at Coyote and Crissy, but I have tried most other
bay sites, the Gorge and the coast.
I do not really jibe - I've managed a few planing jibes, but I still
fall most of the time.
I do, however, waterstart and sail in any conditions I've seen on the
Bay, including 30+ mph cold winds this winter at Alameda. I jump,
rather poorly of course comparing to the good guys, but I land about 50%
of them and rarely crash into my gear and usually fall down right into a
waterstart position.
Since practicing jibes is the #1 thing on my list now, I can say that
Coyote and Crissy are very nice places to do this.
Candlestick is way too crowded and seems to have an unproportionally
high % of people with no clue about the etiquette. Because of its
layout, you can't really sail away from the crowd - there is almost
nowhere to sail upwind and I hesitate going downwind in case the wind
dies. The other thing that I didn't like at the stick was the very
gusty winds there. Don't know if it's always like this or I just was
unlucky, but to me handling the sail in nice consistent wind seems much
easier than fighting with the gusts. Oh, and the water stinks there :-)
Sure it'll take me longer to learn jibing on swell faces in the channel
then it would otherwise... But then I would be actually enjoying
sailing all this time, not getting bored at the stick...
Actually, for that matter, the best fun I've ever had sailing was a few
weeks ago when I had my first wave encounter in chest to head high waves
on a 4.7 at Manzanitas, OR. And for my #220 a 4.7 is what a 4.2 is for
most people on this thread :-) It was a struggle, but boy I was
enjoying my first ride on a wave, even though it ended with a crash.
As far as safety is concerned, isn't it kinda the same for all levels?
Know your limits, sail with a buddy, and don't do shit that you don't
know if you can do?
- Lev
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francois Jouaux [SMTP:fjouaux@apple.com-DeleteThis]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 3:52 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Sherman/Sign
>
> I think Ed did not mean to forbid non jibers to go learn at third.
> The original poster said that it was his second time at third, he
> could not jibe, jumped a lot and crashed a lot in the channel. He had
>
> a great time, fine.
> I think Ed just meant that going out and enjoying the channel on a
> strong ebb / wind at third requires rescue gear, a sailing buddy and
> some getting used to.
> It is a long way to the shore, very rough, and any break down or
> board separation is unforgiving. You don't want to spend the night on
>
> one of the barges anchored outside.
>
> It is the same question as why should you know how to jibe to go to
> Waddell. I'd argue that jibing outside waddell is easier than in the
> channel at third. The point is the jibing level ensures that the rest
>
> of the experience is there too.
>
> -Francois
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