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Are we talking about with a rig or without a rig? If you haven't ditched
your
rig then it's hard to consider it a life or death situation.
Paddling a shortboard (without a rig) is much faster than swimming. An 8'6"
shortboard with 85liters is as big as many big wave guns (surfing), and
those
are the boards guys paddle at Waimea bay to drop into 40 foot faces (i.e.
they
are built for speed). Paddling even the shortest surfboards are faster than
swimming and your average shortboard sailboard has as much volume as a
fairly
large surfboard.
For what it's worth I paddled my 8'6" Seatrend about half way out to the
channel marker last year to help my wife who was swimming in - it took about
15-20 minutes in calm conditions and slack tide. Don't know how far that is
and I definitely couldn't have kept that pace for 2 hours though.
Question: If a swimmer can cross the icy english channel three times back
to
back swimming 38 hours with no wetsuit why would it be impossible (as in the
general consensus here) to swim for even 4-5 hours with a full wetsuit in
the
summer at Third avenue? There are obviously some serious conditioning
differences between English Channel Swimmers and Third Avenue Regulars but
it
would seem that one might be able to extrapolate something from this.
By the way did you know that the Farralons to San Francisco swim has only
been
done once by one guy in the 1960's in a time just under 15 hours? No
wetsuit
of course.
Thanks.
Jeff Milum
Sales Force Automation Sales Team
Western Region
650-506-0575
jmilum@us.oracle.com-DeleteThis
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> I know I can paddle 2 miles in under 2 hours
Have you tested this? I've always figured that although paddling a
longboard may be speedy, that paddling a shortboard is much slower than
swimming and you'd be lucky to make 1/2 mile/hr. Then there are those
pesky 1.5 knot tides to deal with sometimes.
I agree that in most circumstances we should eventually be able to
paddle in, but conditions can make it much more difficult.
Ken Poulton
poulton@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis
"Ken is out in the channel floating with a broken mast at Coyote Point.
When should I start to worry?"
Katie Poulton to Kirk Lindstrom, trying to remain calm in the face of
the unknown.... Facts were better than we thought since he launched
from 3rd and probably WAS near Coyote at that time.
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