X-OldHeader: From Eyes4Hire@aol.com-DeleteThis.com Thu Sep 16 11:42:46 2004 Return-Path: <Eyes4Hire@aol.com-DeleteThis.com> Received: from zonker.labs.agilent.com (root@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com [130.29.244.184]) by jr.labs.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183+JAGae58098)/8.9.3 AgilentLabs Workstation) with ESMTP id LAA09193 for <wind_talk_ls@jr.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Eyes4Hire@aol.com-DeleteThis.com Received: from msgrel1.sgp.agilent.com (msgrel1.sgp.agilent.com [141.183.101.233]) by zonker.labs.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183+JAGae58098)/8.9.3 AgilentLabs Workstation) with ESMTP id LAA14538 for <wind_talk@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wsgpvs01.sgp.agilent.com (wsgpvs01.sgp.agilent.com [141.183.6.23]) by msgrel1.sgp.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95768142 for <wind_talk@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:42:44 +0800 (SGP) Received: from wsgpvs01.sgp.agilent.com ([141.183.6.23]) by wsgpvs01.sgp.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:42:44 +0800 Received: from encsgp1.sgp.agilent.com ([141.183.101.189]) by wsgpvs01.sgp.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:42:41 +0800 Received: from msgbas1x.net.asiapac.agilent.com (192.168.216.26) by encsgp1.sgp.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 6253773; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:41:55 +0800 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by msgbas1x.net.asiapac.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EA5A79 for <wind_talk@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:42:40 +0800 (SGP) Received: from Eyes4Hire@aol.com-DeleteThis.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id r.141.33f7895e (4238); Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <141.33f7895e.2e7b3884@aol.com-DeleteThis.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:42:12 EDT Subject: 3rd Ave Golf Balls To: 3rdave@yahoogroups.com-DeleteThis.com, wind_talk@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10714 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2004 18:42:41.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[F292C9A0:01C49C1C]
It seems like I have received a limited number of formal reports of
stray golf balls in light of some of the second hand reports I get
about how serious the problem is. This creates the impression that
the problem is not too bad as bad as previously descibed and it
takes pressure off the City and the golf course to fix the problem
quickly. The last report I received before Ken's latest report was
over 5 weeks ago. If the problem is occuring with greater frequency
than Ken reports, it is important for people to report and document
the problems (send me a description, take photos, file a report with
the Course with copy to the City), both so that the City and Course
understand how serious it is, and also so that there is a strong
case if legal action is ultimately neccesary. I'm going to call the
City and the Course again and I have passed of Ken's report to both.
The last time I checked in, the negotiations betwnn the City and the
Course that should lead to both a new lease and installation of
taller nets seemed to be moving at a slow pace.
Since I live and work in Marin, it is difficult for me to get down
there to check out the conditions.
The golf course is supposed to have signs up on the ball machines
and on the stairs to the upper deck. If anyone has checked for
these, let me know when you checked and if they were or were not in
place and when you checked. Ken, let me know if you also checked
the ball machines.
The tee for the hole that drives down toward the rigging area is
supposed to have a wind sock with a sign warning that long balls
will land in a public access area. Can someone check and see if
this is infact the case? SFBA paid for a windsock which was
delivered to Course management.
Is my sign about reporting golf balls still up at the rigging area?
Peter Thorner San Francisco Boardsailing Association
Please reply to thorner@sfba.org-DeleteThis.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Poulton" <
poulton@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com> To: <thorner@sfba.org-DeleteThis.com>;
<3rdave@yahoogroups.com-DeleteThis.com>; < wind_talk@zonker.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com> Sent:
Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: the rain of death
continues
> 5 incidents, just that I have observed, in my last 12 days at 3rd.
> > Ken Poulton > > > "Sir, we don't care. > We don't have to. >
We're the phone company." -- Lilly Tomlin, on Laugh-In > > > >
+++++++++++++ Sat 17 Jul 04 - 3rd - 16/168 (192#) 3:50-5:25 > > 6
golf balls by the corner of the parking lot. > > +++++++++++++ Sat
7 Aug 04 - 3rd - 16/138 (192#) 4:20-6:00 > > At 6:21 two golf balls
landed in the lot near my car and I called > the course. He said he
"would close the upper deck". > > At 7:20 +-5 minutes I got a golf
ball through my left-rear side window. > At 7:40, there were 3
golfers with drivers up there. They claimed they > heard no
announcement. I complained at the office and the guy at the > desk
assures me that the course would pay and has me fill out a form. >
He gives me the damage policy which denies they will pay. > He then
makes a PA announcement for no drivers on the upper deck by >
holding the phone at arm's length while I watched. I then asked the
> golfers and they said they heard no announcement. Two golfers are
still > using drivers up there. > > I also observed that there are
no signs telling anyone that there are > cars and people beyond the
fences. There is only a CYA sign saying > golfers are "responsible
for balls that leave the premises". There is > nothing to prohibit
drivers in windy conditions. The guys at the desk > might or might
not make announcements, but they sure do nothing > without a
complaint and they do nothing just because the wind is up > and
balls area certain to be going over. > > +++++++++++++ Thu 9 Sep 04
- 3rd - 16/165 (190#) 4:00-6:00 > > New broken glass in the lot by
the side of the golf range. > This is from a rear side window - it
was tinted. > > +++++++++++++ Sat 11 Sep 04 - 3rd - Rhino10,16/165
(190#) 5:00-6:00,6:15-7:00 > > I saw two golf balls land in the lot
near the corner. I called and > the person there said he would make
an announcement. > > ++++++++++++ Wed 16 Sep 04 - 3rd - 16/165
(189#) 5:20-6:40 > > I heard 3 golf balls land in 5 minutes next to
the guy dressing > in the lot 50 feet away (along the side of the
range). I called and > the dork at the desk said he "would see
what's going on". I asked him > to make an announcement and get the
drivers off the upper deck and > he said he didn't know of a policy.
Then he let me talk to his > manager ... by voice mail. No signs,
no policy, no training. > >
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