Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by opus.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.18/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA192441901; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:05:01 -0700 Return-Path: <JMILUM@us.oracle.com-DeleteThis> Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA047461901; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:05:01 -0700 Received: from mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com (mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.135]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05196 for <wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com (8.7.5/37.9) id LAA16908; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704111800.LAA16908@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com-DeleteThis> Date: 11 Apr 97 10:58:40 -0700 From: "JMILUM.US.ORACLE.COM" <JMILUM@us.oracle.com-DeleteThis> To: wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis Subject: Re: Wind Prediction Data X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To: UNX03.US.ORACLE.COM:listserv@jr.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis's message of 11-Apr-97 09:55 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_34945767_0_11919704111201100"
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Rather than depending on wind addicted windsurfers, you should talk to Jim
Martin at call of the wind to get real wind info. Any info that sailors give
you will be way to subjective based on sailing style, weight and equipment
tendencies. I bet Jim would be receptive to giving you some sort of
historical data. I think Mike Godsey is working for Jim too, you might want
to contact him since he is definitely the Guru of wind prediction.
You are going to have a hard time correlating this wind info. Those reports
are based on wind speed for big boat sailing and fisherman who don't really
care about a 5mph difference. The dual personality of bay area wind based on
pressure system alignments and fog-generated thermal winds will also make this
correlation difficult. Many days Coyote is blowing and Crissy isn't or vice
versa and those NOAA forecasts don't even try to predict these types of
weather patterns.
By the way has anyone ever seen anything from the NOAA predicting fog burnoff?
In mid-summer this seems to be the key factor in determining what sights will
blow (or where you might want to barbeque). To my knowledge this type of
prediction does not seem to be currently reported.
Thanks.
Jeff Milum
Regional Manager DMD New England
415-506-0575
jmilum@us.oracle.com-DeleteThis
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Saturday, Apr. 5 I asked those who would fill out a form and e-mail it after
each sailing session to contact me. The purpose is to gather data that can
be used to validate wind prediction methods for windsurfing. Actually, this
could provide a bit of data beyond those from existing sources.
In addition, we could have a better idea of what conditions were like around
the Bay Area each yesterday.
The responses are rather discouraging. I got five, and two of those were
really advice. I did not expect an overwhelming response, but this really
will not give enough data to make it worthwhile. Thus, I am simply going
sailing for now.
During this time AOL e-mail was screwed up for awhile. I missed two of the
Wind Talk Digests. If you got your mail returned as undeliverable, that is
why. This is another reason for my backing off from this idea for now. A
more reliable service is needed as the basis for this sort of idea. However,
I do not think that would have changed the general results of this effort.
I do want to thank those of you who did respond.
During this I have written down my ideas about how to gather and compile this
sort of data. It is a bit long and detailed, so I will not post it. If you
are interested in a copy let me know.
MilesLoyd@AOL.com-DeleteThis
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